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Post edited 3:45 pm – June 18, 2009 by Web Developer
 RROKA have received a report detailing a new entrance structure at the Leisure centre. We think it looks like overbearing and a waste of money… Are the council trying to tell us something, could the money not be used better elsewhere? The infrastructure of Killamarsh is eroding away, and they build a thing like that..? Comments are welcome, or join our discussion thread for this concern!
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4:46 pm
June 18, 2009
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As I understand the redevelopment of the car park – this has been funded from European Community money, the revenue from the sale of land now on Sheffield Road for one/two houses (where the original entrance was). Further more the design and application document was funded by a £30,000 grant to the Killamarsh Community Trust Charity – this was all included in the Plans that were on display in the Sports Centre in February 2008 and people were allowed to suggest which of 3 options they wanted for the redevelopment of the Sports Centre. So the money hasnt come out of any local tax payers pockets – as to whether the money could have been allocated anywhere else that is a different question
Which bit of the village is eroding away which you feel should have the money spent?
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4:46 pm
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Thank you for your comments. Could you let us know which option the public voted on, and who designed the redevelopement, as there are issues of safety. There is now only one entrance and exit; this is crucial to safety as it would create a massive bottleneck if ever there was a fire, there must be a second way out surely? The cars going out and fire engines, ambulances, police coming in thus producing a lack of manouverabilty. As for Killamarsh in general: The sanctioning of more houses is unbelievable, just look at the state of the bus shelters and infrastructure for instance, eroding away, the bottom of bridge street with its boarded up shops, the canal, the roads, the bridges which look an absolute disgrace when you drive into killamarsh, We could do with a bank or even a petrol station, But yet the leisure centre gets money from the european community, as for saying we the local tax payer has’nt paid for this, who pays into the european community fund… US!.
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4:46 pm
June 18, 2009
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I agree with your comments on the new car park, and the new entrance for the campus !!! (what is that all about) why was money spent on a perfectly good car park surely this could have been put to more productive use, coming into Killamarsh under the old railway bridges is an absolute disgrace, I am born and bred in Killamarsh and have seen good changes but mostly bad decisions made, boarded up shops, litter soaked pathways, and more houses for familes meaning more teenagers with nothing to do but stand around street corners getting drunk and generally littering the place up with empty bottles and such. I used to be proud to say I came from Killamarsh not any more this ghetto is getting worse and worse.
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4:46 pm
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Yes it is the Chauchescu syndrome, build a big palace, and watch your people starve thanx for the comments. We think this issue will go a long way.
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4:47 pm
June 18, 2009
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Could you let us know which option the public voted on, and who designed the redevelopement, as there are issues of safety. There is now only one entrance .
OK this goes back to February 2008 when a public exhibition was held – 3 proposals given to improve the whole Sports Centre – if anyone cares to check out Killamarsh Forum there is an extensive thread on this under the heading Community Campus Project however I will copy the conclusion here
“feedback from the community consultation event was that the majority were in favour of the proposals suggested in option 2 with additional positive responses received towards a longer term option to include the restoration of the Canal as presented through option 3;.
Almost all negative comments received in relation to option 3 were for the introduction of residential development alongside the canal, in particular the height of the buildings and for residential development. The proposed use of this site is still in very early stages and will require significant refinement through further analysis to identify and appropriate quantum and scale of development; and
All three proposals received some level of positive feedback to the proposals. Option 1 was praised for applying improvement to the area quickly and cost-efficiently, whilst the more radical proposals suggested in options 2 and 3 were praised for the longer term improvement’s that they would bring to the area.”
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4:47 pm
June 18, 2009
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There is now only one entrance and exit;
Minor point but there has only ever been one entrance – it’s simply been moved from Sheffield Road to Stanly Street i.e. from a major road to a side road. It still has two lanes however so presumably vehicles can follow the one way system round the car park and your emergency vehicle enter as well. I agree the layout is poor but suggest that’s a traffic calming measure to stop vehicle speeding in and out – I suspect things would be different if an emergency vehicle with siren was obtaining access as other vehicles tend to give them priority. The closing of the Sheffield Road entrance also released some land for house build and the money generated is intend to go back into the coffers.
I also understand that the final phase of the Master Plan was to incorporate an additional exit on to Nethermore Drive. I imagine that will raise a few complaints from the residents living there. How do RROKA stand on that one? Would you support their complaint or off set that in favour your wish that the Sports Centre should have 2 entrance/exits?
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4:47 pm
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The sanctioning of more houses is unbelievable, just look at the state of the bus shelters and infrastructure for instance, eroding away, the bottom of bridge street with its boarded up shops, the canal, the roads, the bridges which look an absolute disgrace when you drive into killamarsh, We could do with a bank or even a petrol station, US!.
Gosh so much to reply to
1) Sanctioning of more houses? Can you tell us where and what these are?
2) Bus shelters – I understand that it has been announced that money has been allocated to replace these this year
3) Boarded up shops – these are presumably commercial properties and I would imagine the owners would be far happy having tennants than an empty shop – how could public money be better spent here?
4) The canal – there are already plans in place to bring the canal through the village, it was incorporated in the Options 2 and 3 above. The Canal Trust are pushing to get this funded and in place. It is already up to Kiveton and work is being carried out from Renishaw to Chesterfield. Killamarsh is the lock (excuse the pun) that opens up the whole Retford to Chesterfield route.
5) Bank – again commercial development – considering the closure of banks througout the country I would doubt any would be interested
6) Petrol stations? The cheapest petrol around is 2 miles away at Halfway, the nearest is at Holbrook – do you think any commercial company would see a market in the village – plus where would you build it?
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4:48 pm
June 18, 2009
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…as for saying we the local tax payer has’nt paid for this, who pays into the european community fund… US!.
Well you havent paid for it from “local taxes” the point I was trying to make was that it had come from either Parish, District or County funding. I understand that the UK pays £4 billion into the EU (that will come out of your PAYE) assuming 26million people in work that’s £153 each. What’s it cost to join a golf club these days? I bet it’s more.
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4:48 pm
June 18, 2009
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Francis
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oh and can I ask why the last post now says “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” are all posts “moderated” before they get published?
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4:48 pm
June 18, 2009
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Thank you for commenting and updating the residents. You seem to be saying that the residents of killamarsh have not paid for anything, then you say they have paid £153 each.I do not know if you are aware that a certain amount of parish funds comes out of the council tax which the residents have to pay. As for the golf club payment the residents have a choice to pay that, they don’t with the council tax.
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4:48 pm
June 18, 2009
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The houses which are under proposal are at the location of the old Midland station,Walkers scrapyard, Habberjams old farmhouse which we believe would then lead to another debate about building on the Dale, and the houses that you have mentioned on the old entrance to the Town hall sorry Leisure centre The bus shelters are now being redone because of the relentless letters to Natascha Engel from residents, or they would not have been considered. The boarding up of the shops are the roller shutters, that have to be pulled down at closing time because of the vandals that makes killamarsh look like you want to drive straight through without stopping.
As for the canal it has been at the planning stage for at least 6 years to our knowledge we are checking if it goes any further.It only took Kiveton and renishaw 3 years to get it under way. We are sure a bank would help populate the shopping area of Killamarsh, When there was a bank, people used to shop there but if your doing your banking in Eckington or Crystal peaks, you shop there, its common sense. As for the petrol station we don’t think it is the petrol price that is really the problem its not having a local garage to go to, you now have to go miles out of your way to get petrol. And as you rightly stated where can you build a petrol station as all the land has been built on.
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4:49 pm
June 18, 2009
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Yes the entrance has been moved from a main road to a side road as you stated and this is the concern,it is a lot easier for emergency services to get in and out.
The closing of the Sheffield road site has brought money into the coffers but is this money only going to be used on the leisure centre or for something worth while
Yes we would support the residents as there is no need to make a second exit at the nethermoor side, as there is an entrance allready on sheffield road which leads to the main road, the fence just has to be taken down.
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4:49 pm
June 18, 2009
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Yes we have to have a moderation process because of the irate residents, these are the ones that tell it like it is, that is why for every one we publish ten cannot its a shame because there is some real dooses that would get our lawyers on there toes.Keep the comments coming we love reading them and we do hold them on file for a period of time thanx. RROKA
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4:49 pm
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Thank you for commenting and updating the residents. You seem to be saying that the residents of killamarsh have not paid for anything, then you say they have paid £153 each.I do not know if you are aware that a certain amount of parish funds comes out of the council tax which the residents have to pay. As for the golf club payment the residents have a choice to pay that, they don’t with the council tax.
The question you asked in the OP was “who has paid for this?” – I am well aware that the Parish Precept is added to the Council Tax however apparently no monies have been used from that funding. I informed you where the money had come from – The European Community – as a comparison I calculated for you what each tax payers pay on average for that membership – I was not suggesting that we have each paid £153 towards the car park. That money would have been paid over whether the car park had been funded or not.
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4:50 pm
June 18, 2009
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The boarding up of the shops are the roller shutters, that have to be pulled down at closing time because of the vandals that makes killamarsh look like you want to drive straight through without stopping..
Apologies I thought you were referring to empty shops – in relation to this topic, the funding of the car park, how do you suggest money could have been spent better so that we don’t have shutters on the shops? Even better how do you think the council have any responibilty for the action of vandals – presummably they are real residents of Killamarsh.
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4:50 pm
June 18, 2009
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As for the canal it has been at the planning stage for at least 6 years to our knowledge we are checking if it goes any further.It only took Kiveton and renishaw 3 years to get it under way. We are sure a bank would help populate the shopping area of Killamarsh
The final plans for the route through the village and the engineering solution to get through Rother Valley and how to deal with the collapsed Norwood Tunnel were actual presented to the Electors Meeting in 2008. The reason Killamarsh will be the last element of the canal to be completed is that it is the hardest (and most expensive) stretch. It has to cross under the M1, however that structure has already been incorporated in the recent road widening on there.
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4:50 pm
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Yes we have to have a moderation process because of the irate residents, these are the ones that tell it like it is, that is why for every one we publish ten cannot its a shame because there is some real dooses that would get our lawyers on there toes.Keep the comments coming we love reading them and we do hold them on file for a period of time thanx. RROKA
Crikey 9 in 10 post don’t get published because of legal issues, I assume because you consider there content to be libelous, why else wouldnt you publish them? Apart from you and me and a handfull of other people there isnt really a lot that’s been posted I’m intrigued to know what else the Real Residents members have to complain about that warrants you decision to censor 9 in 10 posts?
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4:51 pm
June 18, 2009
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Crikey 9 in 10 post don’t get published because of legal issues, I assume because you consider there content to be libelous, why else wouldnt you publish them? Apart from you and me and a handful of other people there isnt really a lot that’s been posted I’m intrigued to know what else the Real Residents members have to complain about that warrants you decision to censor 9 in 10 posts?
A technical response to your question would be:
If a comment is posted it will await moderation by RROKA admin, ALL comments are moderated for language and control. The content of the comment will be posted despite the viewpoint of the commenter as long as it falls within the etiquette rules of RROKA’s commenting policy. Hope this answer helps.
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5:16 pm
June 18, 2009
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Post edited 4:35 pm – June 18, 2009 by Web Developer
Francis said:
The boarding up of the shops are the roller shutters, that have to be pulled down at closing time because of the vandals that makes killamarsh look like you want to drive straight through without stopping..
Apologies I thought you were referring to empty shops – in relation to this topic, the funding of the car park, how do you suggest money could have been spent better so that we don’t have shutters on the shops? Even better how do you think the council have any responibilty for the action of vandals – presummably they are real residents of Killamarsh.
Yes the council have duty to stop vandals as they keep putting in the leader newspaper that they are tackling anti social behaviour so if they have not got a duty to tackle the vandals why do they print this.
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