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5:50 pm
June 18, 2009
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Post edited 5:08 pm – June 18, 2009 by Web Developer
 The skateboard park is about to go ahead, it will open in june is it a good thing or bad. The people of killamarsh are very dubious about bringing more trouble to the bottom of killamarsh the recent complaints about drunken teenagers running riot at the leisure centre, and surrounding streets. The authorities cannot cope with the youths now, so bringing more on to the scene will create more heartache for nearby residents .we think it would have been a good idea to have a skate board park if the situation with the youths had been addessed before it had been built. Nobody has said how it is going to be policed after it shuts at 10.00 pm, a few hundred youths turning out at that time cannot be good unless it is policed properly. We have also printed the piece out of the leader about the £300 millon leisure park that is going to be built on the rother valley surely the council could have saved our money and waited for this to be built as we feel sure the teenagers wont be wanting to go to the leisure centre when that is built. Please give us your comments especially if you live nearby the leisure centre
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7:15 pm
June 19, 2009
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whiskyman
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I think it may be a mistake
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2:54 pm
June 22, 2009
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Francis
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I don't wish to appear to be a supporter of the local councils however I'm very confused by the "editorial" position that is being taken on this site – you want things to be done however when something is done you question where the money has come from and whether it could have been invested or spent better elsewhere. A lot of this additional money being spent in the village is funding those things for which these funds/trusts have been set up for.
Any way here are the "facts" for you in regards to the funding of the Skate park: the £100k has come from Veolia Environmental Trust (£39,000), Derbyshire Youth Council (£45,000.00) and £8,000 from the Parish council.
The Veolia Trustt "is committed to supporting community and environmental projects across the UK. These could include projects aiming to install or enhance play areas and skate parks, restore footpaths and green spaces, protect natural habitats, improve community halls and restore churches."
Derbyshire Youth Service "offers a wide range of things to do and places to go for young people aged 11-19 years old, all of which can be enjoyed out of school hours"
Furthermore a survey was carried out in 2008 and this is from ASK Derbyshire
"Description: recent consultation survey gave a huge "thumbs up" to the development of a Skate and ride park at Killamarsh Sports Centre. Now we need your views on the design of the park. To do this we are holding a public workshop on Wednesday 9th July at the Sports Centre. The workshop is being held to discuss options for the design of the new Skate and Ride park. Anybody that attends will have the chance to ask questions of an expert designer and put forward their own ideas before the final design is agreed. Come along between 3.30 and 5.30 or 6.30-7.30pm.
The Yes Project is a commercial development
"YES! will feature over one million sq ft of entertainment facilities with supporting infrastructure that includes a unique combination of a major theatre complex, extreme sports centre, major indoor entertainment facilities, four star resort spa and conference hotel, exhibition centre and golf range, along with restaurants, bars, cafes and festival retailing. The new theatre, set to be the largest outside the West End will help bolster the area's growing reputation as a centre for the creative and cultural industries"
It's never going to provide a smilar facility to that being opened in Killamarsh. As to it being seen as carrot to the youth of the village if the stop misbehaving perhaps its the view of the Parish Council that it will give the same youth something to do so that they aint causing trouble elsewhere?
Rather than predicting that it will be the cause of trouble why dont we wait and see if it reduces it?
Finally can you provide the information as to when and how often "drunken teenagers have run riot at the leisure centre" – last I heard was that this was over a year ago at an 18th birthday when the party got out of hand – result was new rules regarding booking of parties, only named guests to be allowed and proper monitoring of the door etc. We even had sign up for the same rules for a brass band concert – the last time there was a riot for one of those was in the 1850's
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3:25 pm
June 22, 2009
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Oh forget the 1913 riots for Stravinsky's Rite of Spring "The complex music and violent dance steps depicting fertility rites first drew catcalls and whistles from the crowd. At the start with the opening bassoon solo, the audience began to boo loudly due to the slight discord in the background notes behind the bassoon's opening melody. There were loud arguments in the audience between supporters and opponents of the work. These were soon followed by shouts and fistfights in the aisles. The unrest in the audience eventually degenerated into a riot. The Paris police arrived by intermission, but they restored only limited order. Chaos reigned for the remainder of the performance…."
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4:02 pm
June 23, 2009
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Post edited 3:48 pm – June 23, 2009 by Web Developer
Thank you for your post.
We do not think you are a supporter of the council as everybody should have an opinion whether positive or negative. We appreciate the info about the funding but we already have this, the only information we don't have is about Veolia trust. We have information that they are a waste management company, if you could let us know if this is correct it would be very helpful to us.
As for the :YES: project it is a concern of ours, that when it is all finished it will be fantastic for the areas around it, which you would think would be a great thing for killamarsh, which we hope it is (we are not always negative ). But what concerns us most is when everybody from the surrounding areas descends on it it will leave our facilities wanting. If there is squash courts, bowling alleys, spa's, cinemas, ski slopes, golf etc it will take our residents out of the village. So you're thinking Whats wrong with that? nothing, but there is.
It will be great for the likes of Halfway and Beighton which are under Sheffield, and Kiveton, which we believe is under rotherham. Sheffield and Rotherham being stakeholders ( for the want of a better word) of the Rother Valley, we dont think we have anything to do with it now let us know if we do, So when we and thousands of others go on it, the money generated will swell the coffers of Rotherham and Sheffield councils respectfully. So there will be no reinvestment into any of our councils.
So when we as residents go for a night out or a weekend on the valley which is our pejorative, it will be like going abroad, the killamarsh pound will swell the economy of the Sheffield and Rotherham chamber of commerce. It also happened in the late eighties, killamarsh was doing pretty well, plenty of butchers bakers and candlestick makers, but then Crystal Peaks opened and rang the death knell for villages like ours. The only way we could have stopped this would have been to go by the preliminary plans that were being bounded about in the early to mid eighties. The plans were supposedly drawn up (if anybody has a copy of these we would like to see them). There were plans to make Westthorpe colliery into a mining museum which would have been feasible as it wasn't a deep shaft.
The other thing was a 3 quarter gauge, steam railway, which would come from the pit stockyard past the midland station round the Rother valley and back to Westthorpe. With the canal being refilled and narrow boats doing trips up and down it, it would have made killamarsh a good tourist attraction. It would have also thrown possible cottage industries up creating sustainable jobs. Sadly only a pipe-dream now, but it would have kept killamarsh a village and have a real identity. We do hope for killamarsh's sake we are wrong only time will tell
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4:08 pm
June 23, 2009
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Hi Francis you stated that veolia Trust help with funding for Churches could you let us know if they are funding the repairs to the Church roof as repairs started yesterday 22/06/2009 and today. They are not there tomorrow as the architect is coming again on thursday thanx
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10:19 am
June 24, 2009
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Manager said:
Hi Francis you stated that veolia Trust help with funding for Churches could you let us know if they are funding the repairs to the Church roof as repairs started yesterday 22/06/2009 and today. They are not there tomorrow as the architect is coming again on thursday thanx
I'm not aware of if Veolia provided any funding towards this – I think it was paid for from money raised by the Church.
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10:23 am
June 24, 2009
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Have just found this on there web-site which would suggest they don't contrubute money currently to places of worship
"Due to the current high volume of applications, the Trust regrets to inform potential applicants that proposals for places of worship cannot be considered at the present time. This also applies to internal and external work that is specifically for the benefit of the place of worship, such as toilets, ramps for the disabled and pathways.
Church Halls and the like, used as community facilities, will still be eligible as will the formation or upgrading of community facilities within places of worship"
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10:37 am
June 24, 2009
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Manager said:
surely the council could have saved our money and waited for this to be built
… We appreciate the info about the funding but we already have this, the only information we don't have is about Veolia trust. We have information that they are a waste management company, if you could let us know if this is correct it would be very helpful to us.
If you had the information about the funding (which was in the Leader extract you posted) why have you asked about the council saving money? Spending £8,000 to get a £100,000 project seems a good deal to me.
Veolia "The Veolia Environmental Trust was established in 1997 under the Landfill Communities Fund (LCF). We support a wide range of community and environmental projects throughout the UK. The money we use for grants is made available through the LCF" and yes they are a waste management.
What ever the YES Project provides it will be a commercial enterprise – I would imagine that similar council funded facilities will be priced in competition with them and at the end of the day people will choose which ever facility they prefer – be it based on price or location.
Derbyshire, Sheffield and Rotherham were all originally involved in the initial Rother Valley development but I think it may only be Rotherham these days; Sheffield and Derbyshire having pulled out some years ago. I'm not sure which council will receive the rates income for the new development but would suggest it will all be in Rotherham.
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5:17 pm
August 5, 2009
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"squash courts, bowling alleys, spa's, cinemas, ski slopes, golf etc" Are these the sorts of activities that will be available on rothervalley and does anybody know what other activities are planned. It would be good to have these sorts of facilities closer to home.Bus fairs are getting that expensive it's crazy.
If it gives younger people a place to hang around and provides new jobs surely thats not necessarily a bad thing.
Any further information would be appreciated thanks.
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1:34 pm
August 8, 2009
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Fair comment but the jobs will be for the Rotherham and Sheffield area, they are not going to build a massive complex like that and give it to Derbyshire workers, they won't do what our council do and tender it out to far off labour.
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8:44 pm
September 14, 2009
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Post edited 6:33 pm – September 18, 2009 by Manager
The skateboard park is being left in a mess every night by the people using it (complaints in parish council minutes july ). The council say they are going to appoint a young skateboard committee to look after it, this we think will not work as you will get a hierachy system and bullying of the committee members will start, leading to bad feeling. It should be looked after by adults as this will not result in friends of the young committee being pressured into decisions they should not be making.
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10:38 am
September 23, 2009
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I've also read in the last PC meeting minutes that there is now an additional £2,000 Public liability insurance required in case of any claims made due to accidents – on a skateboard park? I'd have thought there is indeed a high risk of accidents and will also explain why its so high.
I have a friend that runs a number of gymnastic groups around the South Yorkshire, the PL cover for the gymnasts is covered by the fact that she is a qualified to teach. How much supervision is there at the new facility?
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11:36 am
September 23, 2009
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Im afraid when the council are setting a teenage commitee of skateboarders to run the facility, there cannot be much qualified supervision, this is disasterous if there is a mayor accident the council will be strung up and hung out to dry by claims and allegations. We would have thought there should be a qualified paramedic or well qualified first aider at the site when it is in use. As we have said before and say again it has not been thought out well at all.
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5:20 pm
September 23, 2009
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Post edited 4:33 pm – September 23, 2009 by SipsiCymreig
Back slapping doesn't take much thinking about! Yet more proof of the incompetence of this dross lording over their ivory towers, no insurance for this sort of venture is lunacy of the highest degree.I suppose they'll shut it now to save money! Oh,Oh,Oh!!! But at least it will give them more time to dream up another farce put up council tax to pay for it, and then find some one to blame for it's failure and close that to save money. Einstein I am not but isn't something wrong here?
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10:54 am
September 24, 2009
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SipsiCymreig said:
…, no insurance for this sort of venture is lunacy of the highest degree.I suppose they'll shut it now to save money!…..
No the minutes say theyve approved the extra expenditure of the insurance – which considering there must be a policy in place for the whole Sports Centre, it seems a hefty additional sum to pay.
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11:33 am
September 24, 2009
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Guess we can get ready for a council tax rise again then? Now there's a surprise! Thanks a lot for the information though Francis
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7:24 pm
September 24, 2009
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As the old sea shanty goes "Fifteen men on a dead mans chest''. We think it should go "Fifteen idiots doing a dead loss job". It does seem as though it is the blind leading the blind, the decisions made seem as though the councillors are browny point collecting and not proper decision making. Dont get us wrong we are all for the possibility of getting the teenage population interested in doing something good in killamarsh, but if it is only done half heartedly by the councillors, how the hell do they expect the teenagers to do it. The decisions made may seem a good idea at the time but you have to look at what negatives it turns up as well as the positives if the council addressed the negatives, instead of blindly backslapping each other and saying how good everything is going to be, the decisions made then, would turn out to be positive and they would last a little longer than ie:- killamarsh sign, skatepark, football fields on old Highmoor site to name a few. Please dont get frustrated with the decisions of the council as Jesus once said "Please forgive them for they no not what they do"
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9:23 am
October 11, 2009
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Post edited 6:01 pm – January 21, 2011 by Manager
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12:09 pm
October 18, 2009
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Found out the other day that when the councillors meet at fortress leisure centre, they get four free pints at the bar, can anybody tell me different, I have to pay for mine.
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