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8:34 pm July 2, 2009
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Post edited 10:35 pm – July 2, 2009 by Manager

We were emailed this earlier today from a resident (how long has the sign been up). I have’nt been that way for a few days but I did’nt notice it then .Please comment.
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9:11 am July 3, 2009
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It's been up just 4 weeks – there's a discussion about it here on Killamarsh Forum. The mindless scrotes set about it last Saturday and appear to have been back every night to take a bit more of the wording off.
This was paid for out of Parish Council funds. There is also a speed warning device sign on Lock Hill but that doesnt appear to be working yet.
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11:39 am July 3, 2009
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Do we know if they are Killamarsh scrotes or other village scrotes going out of the village at night.
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7:52 pm July 6, 2009
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Is this the scrotes which the brass band is so clearly getting off the streets? seems to me that the mindless vandals (or bored teenagers) have nothing better to do. as a teacher i see how boredom affects children in many different ways and unfortunatley peer orientated vandalism is one of them. I find it funny how labels can so easily be earned such as 'scrotes' when one has no real appreciation as to why kids take part in such act. In my opinion society fails to provide adaquete activities and fails to keep up with the times of what kids need. we no longer live in the 50's where kids go to work at a young age or have simple tasks to take up there boredom. times have changed so drastically with computer games etc.. it is just a shame that not all households in killamarsh and surrounding areas can afford to invest in these pleasures. so i beg the question…. who really is to blame?
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11:05 am July 8, 2009
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Memm said:
….I find it funny how labels can so easily be earned such as 'scrotes' ….
Thought I'd check the origin and use of the word for you
""scrotes" can be used somewhat interchangeably with "toerags" – obviously it refers to scrotum – and it has a dismissive nuance about it that makes it entirely suitable to refer to petty criminals, vandals and ne'er-do-well's. Perhaps it's origin lies in the undropped testicles of a male adolescent, but in the same way that a "toe-rag" is a worthless individual, a "scrote" is an annoying and immature male of the same ilk".
I'd say that probably was the correct term for the most likely suspects for the de-facing of the sign.
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9:47 pm July 14, 2009
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12:20 pm July 19, 2009
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The sign is another white Elephant waste of money, it must have been very bad workmanship or materials for it to be so easily defaced the council should ask for there money back.
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10:25 am July 20, 2009
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Clearly the design/manufacture of the sign was poorly thought out – simply replacing it with the same again will lead to the inevitable repeat action from who every is causing the damage – be it bored younsters or mindless vandals.
I would suggest that the previous stone built sign with the cast iron logo and simple "Killamarsh" that was there on the left hand side entering the village would prove to be less of an attraction in the same way that the others at High Moor and Norwood have been left alone for many years.
Come on RROKA can we suggest this to the Parish Council? and adivse them that a replacement of the same will only lead to a continual replacement at probably more cost than the stone sign would be – I will assume that repeat casting of the logo and KILLAMARSH sign in cast iron could be purchased for minimal cost – wooden pattern made for these castings are kept by the companies who make them. A bit of reclaimed stone and 2 days labour shouldnt cost too much.
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12:42 pm July 20, 2009
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We totally agree we are allready on the case saw couple of councillors saturday. Also there was a mention of a memorial Cenotaph type memorial fall the fallen of killamarsh has anybody any ideas . As for the sign one in stone with an automatic flame thrower on top is being considered.
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1:36 pm July 20, 2009
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Manager said:
Also there was a mention of a memorial Cenotaph type memorial fall the fallen of killamarsh has anybody any ideas …
At the moment the memorial is on the outside wall of the church to the left of the entrance and beneath a memorial stain-glass window. It is inscribed with the words
"THIS WINDOW WAS DEDICATED 7TH JUNE 1919/ TO/ HONOUR THE MEMORY OF/ OUR FALLEN COMRADES/ IN THE WAR/ 1914 – 1918/ WE ALSO HONOUR/ THE MEMORY OF THOSE/ WHO FELL IN THE WAR/ 1939 – 1945"
I know the names of the fallen are read out every Rememberance Day but not sure if they are included on the memorial – it does seem odd that Killamarsh doesnt have a centotaph. Presummbably this one was erected quite quickly after WW1 and re-worded after 1945.
Where would one be erected?
Since 1919 the memorial service has always taken place in the Church yard where the wreaths are laid on window cill and floor. Perhaps the church yard would be the ideal spot to have one within the gated access.
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1:39 pm July 20, 2009
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Post edited 1:25 pm – July 20, 2009 by Francis
Just found this note on the St Giles website
"has the names of the fallen on tablets outside the window"
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5:52 pm August 5, 2009
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It is just very disappointing that nothing lasts in Killamarsh. There used to be a bus shelter at the bus stop down the road but it was bust that many times it was removed. So unfortunately people now have to wait in the typical English weather for a bus to town or crystal peaks. The park behind the shop, chinese and pub is completely wrecked (not somewhere you can actually take your child). The list goes on…. unfortunately.
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9:27 am August 14, 2009
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Well the signs been taken away, re-signed and replaced. I do hope they've made the lettering a bit more permanent this time or after a while it will be the same as before.
Anyone on for a sweepstake as to when the first alteration takes place? I'm thinking this weekend would be favourite date.
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7:18 pm August 14, 2009
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If the wager is worthwhile we can arrange it for this weekend Seriously though we give it till tonight, friday ,as it usually happens on a friday. We think it may be area yobbos going out or our local yobbos coming back in after a night in town. If the taxis still charge going over the Rother like they used to do in our day, we used to get of at the midland truck bodies and walk the rest of the way to save a few bob so they probably think it amusing to try and vandalise something on the way its the thing hairy forehead people do. 
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10:31 am August 24, 2009
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Post edited 10:01 am – August 24, 2009 by Francis
Well it looks like our horse eventually came home – drove past last night at about 10.30 and the H was gone, this morning the S had too. Noticed three likely culprits walking towards Halfway but didnt see them doing it.
So it looks like we've had the sign replaced exactly as before, cheap laminate lettering which clearly can easily be removed. There is a product available in this country which would solve this problem – vitreous enamel sheet. The lettering is screen printed in the enamel and fixed with 400degree C heat to melt it on to a steel sheet. The finished surface is like a tile or glass and is difficult to damage, scratch or deface. If it is attacked by paint it is easily removed with paint thinners which doesnt affect the signage.
The company I work for has provided and installed this product in the uk and here is a photo of The Centre For Childrens' Books in Newcastle – the external artwork is incorporated in the steel sheeting here and it can be purchased from this company here
The signage product is extremely durable and is perfect if you want to give information that is meant to be there for a considerable time – I'm assuming there are no plans to change the name of the village in the next 50 years.
Perhaps this information could be passed on the the PC?
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12:16 pm August 24, 2009
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Yes we also noticed the sign, not lasted long. The council monitor all comments on the site so we hope they read the information you have provided, which would be a step in the right direction for a permanent sign and not throwing good money to bad.
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12:27 am August 25, 2009
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Post edited 6:42 pm – August 25, 2009 by Manager
Why didn't they think to put in on the side of the small bridge as its in direct view of incomeing and outgoing traffic and would probably look great depending what style of lettering or whatever, plus vandals will have a hard time getting at it.
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8:36 am August 25, 2009
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Good Idea the people coming out of Forge lane would be able to see further up Sheffield road as they have to pull further out to see traffic from the right lets hope the council take these suggestions onboard 
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10:33 am August 27, 2009
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Post edited 10:01 am – August 27, 2009 by Francis
It looks like the sign will be going back again – got this in an email yesterday
“Understand Graham Watkinson at AllRoads is arranging to have the sign taken back to the sign shop as soon as possible.
The sign is a road sign under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions. Hence it needs to meet specific standards of reflectivity, and therefore could not be enamelled as described”
It would appear that the sign is meant to have an “anti-graffiti” but not “anti-vandal attack”
“ Understand the anti-graffiti coating layer which was placed should, (under normal circumstances) resist attack.
Can you both discuss a way forward and implement.
Tracey, your suggestion to produce the base sign in black, then produce the white over layer with the text “cut out” of it (i.e. to make the black base layer beneath come through and effectively form the letters) with the anti-graffiti layer placed over the top, may well be a solution.
Would additional curing time for adhesion of each of the layers independently, (and similarly for the anti-graffitti layer) be of benefit before re-erection? If the vandals do continue their persistence, and for example manage to cut through the anti graffiti layer and adhesive ( as they appear to have done previously, prior to breaking the bond and peeling off the letters ) then the stronger bond / additional curing times and effectively the additional layer may make removal very difficult.
Having said this if vandals are determined to vandalise this new sign, (using tools by one way or another), then I doubt much more beyond what you have already suggested Tracey, could be done in order to maintain the integrity of a legal road sign.
If we try what you suggest, and determined vandalism continues, then the only option may be to remove the sign. (I.e. In such a circumstance, we would have to continue with the basic Killamarsh entry sign which the vandals haven't shown a particular interest in. “
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11:12 am August 27, 2009
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I've said it before "BRING BACK THE BIRCH ! "
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